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Leo Tolstoy’s Experience With Depression

Welcome to From Insults to Respect. Today, let’s see if we can tie together some of the loose threads of my last post, which chronicled Joni Mitchell’s experience of depression. There we found that she explicitly rejected the idea that her experience indicated that she was mentally ill. Instead, she came to believe that, “Most of my best work came out of it. If you get rid of the demons and the disturbing things, then the angels fly off, too. There is the possibility, in the mire, of an epiphany.”

We also discussed that in contrast to Joni’s position is the medical model, which views people who experience depression as having an illness that requires, as the first line of treatment, taking pills that are called “antidepressants.”  Many who hold this view have absolutely no respect for people who hold the view expressed by Joni.

Upon publishing my post about Joni, one person that has impressed me over a period of time as being highly intelligent expressed a concern that attitudes like Joni’s will lead people to view depression as perfectly normal. The consequences of so doing, he feared, will lead to all of the efforts to increase access to mental health services getting flushed down the toilet. If depression is normal, why wouldn’t the majority of people decide to ignore this group of sufferers and their needs?

Well, in my opinion, this is a legitimate concern, and before this post draws to a conclusion I intend to address it. But first, let’s take a look at another example of someone who, like Joni Mitchell, came to believe that the experience of depression can be of enormous value.

Leo Tolstoy’s Experience

In his painfully personal book, My Confession, the great Russian writer Leo Tolstoy tells us about his two-year period of despair. At about the age of 50, his life had become “flat, more than flat: dead.”

“I felt that something had broken within me on which my life had always rested, that I had nothing left to hold on to, and that morally my life had stopped. An invincible force impelled me to get rid of my existence, in one way or another…. Behold me then … hiding the rope in order not to hang myself from the rafters of the room where every night I went to sleep alone; behold me no longer going shooting, lest I should yield to the too easy temptation of putting an end to myself with my gun.”

All of this took place at a time when Tolstoy’s outer circumstances seemed excellent.

“I had a good wife who loved me and whom I loved; good children and a large property which was increasing with no pains taken on my part. I was more respected by my kinsfolk and acquaintances than I had ever been; I was loaded with praise by strangers; and without exaggeration I could believe my name already famous.”

Tolstoy goes on to explain how his melancholy stimulated a gnawing questioning that eventually led to one insight after another. His trouble had not been with life in general, not with the common life of common men, but with the life of the upper, intellectual, artistic classes, the life that he had personally always led, the cerebral life, the life of conventionality, artificiality, and personal ambition. He had lived wrongly and had to change.

Then, one day in early spring, while he was alone in the forest listening to its mysterious noises, he was filled with a sense of deeper meaning. “After that,” he wrote, “things cleared up within me and about me better than ever, and the light has never wholly died away.”  According to Tolstoy, his suicidal feelings disappeared, and he went on to live a productive life until he passed away at the age of 82 of natural causes.

Some Thoughts on Tolstoy’s Experience

The great psychologist and philosopher William James was someone who viewed the pathologizing of human experience as simple minded and nothing more than superficial medical talk. Rather than resorting to mentally ill jargon, the good professor explained in his monumental book, Varieties of Religious Experience, his view of Tolstoy’s experience:

It was logically called for by the clash between his inner character and
his outer activities and aims. Although a literary artist, Tolstoy was
one of those primitive oaks of men to whom the superfluities and insincerities, the cupidities, complications, and cruelties of our polite civilization are profoundly unsatisfying, and for whom the eternal veracities lie with more natural and animal things. His crisis was the getting of his soul in order, the discovery of its genuine habitat and vocation, the escape from falsehoods into what for him were ways of truth. It was a case of heterogeneous personality tardily and slowly finding its unity and level.

Tolstoy’s anguishing experience appeared at first to come on him as if out of the blue. Later, Tolstoy came to understand it as having been due to living wrongly. Only by questioning deeply and repeatedly the meaning of his despair did he come to this understanding.

Now, with all of this as background information, let’s return to the concern that came up at the beginning of this post–if we don’t accept the medical model, might it provide a perfect justification for not funding mental health services?

In my view, the medical model actually gets in the way of adequately funding services.

Viewing someone in the midst of an anguishing experience as someone with an illness that is no different than any other illness leads many prescribing doctors to most often send the client home with some pills. That is viewed as sufficient. The patient is left with a host of negative side effects, and maybe in time, the patient will begin to feel better and attribute the improvement to the pills. If not, they go back to the doctor who will try adjusting the dose, trying a different pill, or adding other pills.

It is my view that even when people learn to value, even treasure, depression experiences, they don’t say that’s all there is to life. These experiences lead them to more deeply delve into their personal concerns thereby potentially leading them to seek more effective, efficient, economical, and beautiful ways to address their concerns.

Although Tolstoy did manage to successfully work out his most pressing concerns without professional help, keep in mind that he was an extraordinarily gifted person with a great deal of supportive people around him, and he was financially comfortable. Even with all of that, a well trained mental health service provider who avoided pathologizing his experience may have been of enormous help.

In my previous post, we saw that Joni Mitchell was not only experiencing the physical sensations of depression. Fully part of her experiences was to delve deeply into several concerns– “How am I going to get back in the saddle? And what about the audience? Would you still love me if you knew what I was really like?” She sought help from a psychotherapist.

As someone who provided mental health services for many years, let me present an example of what I am trying to get at.

Phil, not his real name, came to my office troubled about how depressed he had been feeling. After some time listening in a caring way to his concerns, I discussed this notion that depression can be viewed as a valued experience. He was pleased to learn this. At the same time, he didn’t in the slightest bit come to the conclusion that with this interpretation of the nature of depression there was no more need to continue to see me. However, I do think that framing depression as often a very valuable experience that many of our most gifted people put to good use was far more hopeful than framing it as due to defective genes.

Over the course of a year I found that the concerns Phil was most troubled about was his drinking, and that he had trouble developing close relationships. Both of these concerns are genuine health risk factors. My job was to help Phil to transform these risk factors to “health protective factors.” By doing so, this could prevent far more serious health issues down the line.

So we explored what was interfering with his developing close friends. It soon became apparent that he was very critical of people he met, and his style of criticizing was very nasty. For example, he would call people he disagreed with stupid in a very nasty way. And it also became apparent that he would criticize himself in the same disturbing manner.

I explored with Phil options that have been helpful to others. He selected learning to meditate, and to get more exercise in order to work off his anger in a positive, healthy manner. He learned the value of saying more supportive things to people he met, and to himself as well. He came to realize the value of minimizing the negative criticism that he provided, and when he did criticize, to do so in a far more charming manner. In the end, he made a new group of friends, joined AA, and was in a far more healthy state when my services came to an end.

So, as this example illustrates, rather than a mental illness model, in which pills are often viewed as sufficient, we can utilize a mental health concern model to advocate additional support for mental health services. With a mental health concern model, counselors and psychotherapists can be viewed as valued members of the allied health profession because they help to transform health risk factors into health protective factors.

The need for these types of mental health services, therefore, need not be reduced by framing depression as a valued experience. Rather, it allows us to move on from this understanding to advocate that our services fully address real mental health concerns.

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Some people will enjoy reading this blog by beginning with the first post and then moving forward to the next more recent one; then to the next one; and so on. This permits readers to catch up on some ideas that were presented earlier and to move through all of the ideas in a systematic fashion to develop their emotional and social intelligence. To begin at the very first post you can click HERE.

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Joni Mitchell’s Experience with Depression

Welcome to From Insults to Respect. From time to time I have been discussing two distinct ways of looking at the nature of depression–the medical model and what we may wish to refer to as the creative temperament view.

The medical model views people who experience depression as having an illness that requires, as the first line of treatment, taking pills that are called “antidepressants.” The enormously wealthy pharmaceutical industry puts its full promotional apparatus behind this approach.

The creative temperament view lacks the backing of any huge corporate interest, but news of it trickles in from a variety of sources. For example, those interested in the history of psychology may learn how the brilliant psychologist and philosopher William James viewed his “bass notes of experience” (see William James’s Personal Bout with a ‘Mental Illness). He wrote that many so called “healthy-minded” individuals believe that those who worry are “morbid-minded” and “diseased,” but it may very well be true that “the world’s meaning most comes home to us when we lay them most to heart.” He, himself, learned to appreciate these visits of melancholy as something of extraordinary value, and stated that,

there is no doubt that healthy-mindedness is inadequate as a philosophical doctrine, because the evil facts which it refuses positively to account for are a genuine portion of reality; and may after all be the best key to life’s significance, and possibly the only openers of our eyes to the deepest levels of truth.”

From there, James reviewed the biography of some of the most creative people in history, and noted that they often experienced depression.

Ms Laren Stover

Ms. Laren Stover

A more recent example of someone discussing depression in a manner consistent with the creative temperament view appeared in a New York Times article titled “The Case for Melancholy.” There we learn from American writer Laren Stover about her own personal experiences. After telling us of her weariness of all those folks on the internet promising to show us how to be delightfully happy in just a few short steps, she writes:

sadness 3“Whatever happened to experiencing the grace of melancholy, which requires reflection: a sort of mental steeping, like tea? What if all this cheerful advice only makes you feel inadequate? What if you were born morose?”

Laren continues to weave her creative images of melancholy with such words as:

sadness 2“Sadness has a bad reputation. But I soon came to feel that melancholy — the word itself is late Latin from the Greek melancholia — is a word with a romantic Old World ring, with a transient beauty like the ring around the moon.”

Most recently, I discovered a particularly revealing example of someone who experienced her depression in a manner similar to Prof Willam James and Ms. Stover.

Joni Mitchell’s Experience

Reckless Daughter, is a new biography of seven-time Grammy Award winner Joni Mitchell. Prior to reading it, I had already gotten a sense of Joni’s view of melancholy from her soulful rendition of her song “Hejira.” There she sings,

I’m sitting in some cafe
A defector from the petty wars
That shell shock love away
There’s comfort in melancholy
When there’s no need to explain
It’s just as natural as the weather
In the moody sky today

Now, having read the book, I found a clearer sense of this sensitive soul’s perspective.

In 1971, Joni released her album Blue, which, according to her biographer David Yaffe, deals with “the feeling underneath the tears, before the tears, the surge and power of heartbreak.” Although the success of the album might make you think she was thrilled, and perhaps there was some of that, but it was a time of a great depression. There must be more to life, she figured. How does she handle this?

“I bought every psychology book I could lay my hands on. Jung, Freud, theology, self help, psychiatry.” She ended up throwing them all against the wall. And then she was introduced to Nietzsche, and learned from him that to live is to suffer, to survive is to find meaning in the suffering.

She decided to spend some extensive alone time in nature along the beautiful coast of British Columbia. It was there that she discovered that “Depression can be the sand that makes the pearl…. Most of my best work came out of it. If you get rid of the demons and the disturbing things, then the angels fly off, too. There is the possibility, in the mire, of an epiphany.”

Concerns that she was dealing with were, “How am I going to get back in the saddle? And what about the audience? Would you still love me if you knew what I was really like?” And then, in the midst of all of these swirling heartfelt feelings, the words and music for her next album, For the Roses, began to flow through her soul.

An interesting characteristic of Joni is that she so values her melancholy that she doesn’t like it when someone tries to cheer her up. “If somebody’s dark and brooding, you’re better off brooding beside them,” she explains. “Don’t go acting cheerful. You’re just a reminder of what they’re not. They’ll hate you for it. The last thing you want is a cheerful person when you’re down like that.”

Of course, there is a great deal more to the life of Joni Mitchell. Nevertheless, I shall pause here, for I think I achieved my purpose of giving readers an added sense of the creative temperament view of depression. In one of her interviews that appears in Yaffe’s biography, Joni explicitly rejected the idea that she was mentally ill.

Was she wrong? Would she have been better off fully accepting the notion that she was suffering from a mental illness? Is her experience with depression really no different from diabetes, as many claim?

Certainly, there were times during which she experienced suffering. But just as suffering occurs as part of the process of giving birth, it can also be part of the process of giving life some deeper, truer meanings to this crazy, incredible experience we call life.

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Some people will enjoy reading this blog by beginning with the first post and then moving forward to the next more recent one; then to the next one; and so on. This permits readers to catch up on some ideas that were presented earlier and to move through all of the ideas in a systematic fashion to develop their emotional intelligence. To begin at the very first post you can click HERE.

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Is Depression a Genetic Disease?

Millions of people experience one or more episodes of depression during their lifetime. At such times, many fear that if news of this were to get out it would diminish the level of respect people have for them. Attempting to avoid the stigma of being viewed as having a mental illness, they shy away from revealing what they are experiencing.

Some promote the idea that depression is a disease with genetic factors playing an important role in its development. This line of thinking is theorized to reduce stigma because it reduces any blame for the person who is having the experience. But others say that promoting the idea that this group of people have faulty genes will actually increase stigma even if it does reduce blame.

With this as background, let’s take a look at the research regarding the genetic influence on depression. Then I’ll chime in on how I think we can better help to reduce stigma for people who become depressed.

Research Study

On April 4, 2017, Molecular Psychiatry published an article titled, “Collaborative meta-analysis finds no evidence of a strong interaction between stress and 5-HTTLPR genotype contributing to the development of depression.”

Peter Simons

A couple of weeks later, Peter Simons, writing for the excellent website, Mad in America, summarized the research article, making it far more accessible to the average reader. It can be retrieved from the internet for free HERE. I heartily recommend it.

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Very briefly, Peter Simons explains that after many failed attempts by researchers to find a genetic basis for depressed mood, a 2003 study claimed to have discovered a link between depression and a genotype known as 5-HTTLPR.

The 2003 study has earned a celebrity status in the literature on genetics and psychiatry, having been cited over 4000 times. However, it has also been the subject of controversy. Researchers have noted that studies finding such powerful genetic effects often turn out to be false positives. Indeed, the conclusions of the 2003 study have been questioned by numerous researchers who failed to replicate their initial result.”

The current study attempted to replicate the initial findings with a large sample of over 38,000 people of European ancestry, using methods that are viewed as “rigorous best practices.” The team of researchers involved in the study found that the presence of the 5-HTTLPR genotype did not increase a risk of depression, even in those who experienced significant life stressors and traumatic events. However, as expected, stress and trauma by themselves were strongly associated with the development of depression.

Peter Simons adds that the researchers also wanted to determine if a particular subgroup of people might be at increased risk of depression when they had the 5-HTTLPR genotype, even though they found no such effect for the general population.

“They conducted further analyses and found that there were no subgroups for whom this genetic basis of depression was significant. That is, the researchers were unable to find a single group for whom this genetic component plays a role. Instead, their data confirmed yet again the most consistent finding in depression literature–stress and trauma are strongly linked with depressive symptoms, and genetics are not.”

If We Can’t Blame It On Genetics, How Else Can We Seek to Reduce Stigma?

As we have seen above, the argument that depression is a genetic disease currently has little scientific support. Nevertheless, there are people who will continue to insist that it is due to genetics because some research indicates that if you have family members who experience depression, you are at an increased risk of also having this type of experience.

One of the difficulties in interpreting this line of research has to do with the plain fact that we all experience a good deal of suffering in our lives. Where are we to draw the line between those who are experiencing the usual amount of suffering given their life circumstances and those who are experiencing more than the usual amount?

As someone who is familiar with how this line is drawn in practice, I can say with confidence that it is pretty blurry. Moreover, just because some human characteristic runs in families does not mean that those with that characteristic have a disease or illness. I have seen research that creativity, musical talent, athleticism, shyness, risk taking, political affiliation, and many other characteristics as well, run in families. Are all such characteristics to be viewed as diseases?

Some view people who are prone to have depression experiences as having an artistic temperament. Many learn to appreciate these visits of melancholy as something of extraordinary valueWilliam James. Thus, in an earlier post titled William James’s Personal Bout With a “Mental Disorder,” we looked at how the brilliant psychologist and philosopher came to view his “bass notes of experience.” On this subject, he wrote that many so called “healthy-minded” individuals believe that those who worry are “morbid-minded” and “diseased,” but it may very well be true that “the world’s meaning most comes home to us when we lay them most to heart.”

Some argue that what makes depression a disease is that it is a risk factor for reduced productivity and suicide. There are many examples of people who, when they become depressed, take to their beds for a period of time. And indeed, some people who become depressed, though not most, will violently end their lives.

To get some community and government support for people as they go through these wrenching experiences of depression, currently we have to, for bureaucratic reasons, treat depression as if it is an illness. I am not seeking to eliminate this support, though I bemoan the fact that for many the only support that is offered is a prescription for drugs which I believe in the long run leads to far more harm then good.

In principle, there really is no necessity to provide support only for people who are deemed ill. Communities and governmental agencies have long provided support for people who have suffered from floods, drought, fire damage, and poverty. I believe it would be more helpful to offer support to people who become bed-ridden or suicidal without pathologizing.

To counter stigmatizing these individuals, it is far better than pathologizing their experience if we focus on pointing to the numerous examples of people, such as Abraham Lincoln, who suffered deeply from depression experiences, and yet made enormous contributions to our society. Equally important is to explain that simply being at an increased risk for something doesn’t mean someone has a disease. Risk takers, such as the Wright brothers, are well known to be at an increased risk of an early death, but that characteristic allows some folks to bravely enter into a tiny capsule to explore the moon.

We need a variety of people to do great things, and indeed some of these varieties are riskier than others. Nevertheless, it is misleading to place them in the disease category. It is high time that we diminished respect for converting more and more basic human characteristics into terms denoting diseases, and instead develop a deeper respect for the grand sweep of humanity.

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Some people will enjoy reading this blog by beginning with the first post and then moving forward to the next more recent one; then to the next one; and so on.  This permits readers to catch up on some ideas that were presented earlier and to move through all of the ideas in a systematic fashion to develop their emotional intelligence.  To begin at the very first post you can click HERE.