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Is Depression Really So Bad?

by Jeffrey Rubin, PhD

Welcome to From Insults to Respect. As this post’s title indicates, today I take up the question, “Is depression really so bad?” In doing so, I imagine many will conclude I must be out of my head or a complete numbskull. My challenging task for today is to see if I can convert such insults to at least a modest degree of respect.

As a start, let me be clear that I recognize and empathize with what I imagine the insulters’ position is likely to be:

Depression is every bit as bad as a majority of folks think it is, and even a whole bunch worse. Depression, these people are likely to point out, leads to some folks ending up committing suicide, or attempting it. Other sufferers of depression will end up being hospitalized at great societal cost, including costs to U.S. employers that has been estimated at $187.8 billion a year. This includes $134 billion in health care (health and mental health combined), $20.9 billion in absenteeism, and $32.9 billion in lost productivity. Finally, the anguish that comes from depression is nothing to make light of.

My case about the degree of badness of depression is worth considering is three pronged: 1. Repeatedly, the evidence indicates people who take antidepressants leads to more suicides and hospitalizations. 2. The available evidence indicates the consequences of using the arguments about suicide and hospitalization to convince people to take antidepressants leads to worse long term suffering of those folks experiencing depression. 3. When the nature of depression is clearly understood as a natural, potentially healthy process for dealing with stressful situations, it leads to less harm than believing that it really is so bad.

Evidence that Suicides and Hospitalizations Increase with Antidepressant Treatment

Convincing folks that depression is so serious because some people who experience it end up committing suicide or are hospitalized for suicidal thoughts is counterproductive. People who become convinced by this type of argument are more likely to get treatment with so called antidepressants when they find themselves becoming depressed. Moreover, such people, using the same argument will urge others who are depressed to get such treatment. This would be fine if the treatment sought would be just counseling/psychotherapy, but in modern countries, such as the United States and Great Britain, the first-line treatment is either antidepressant medication or a combination of antidepressant medication plus psychotherapy.

Despite this, according to a November 15, 2023 study appearing in Psychological Medicine by Harvard University researcher Nur Hani Zainal, such approaches can have dire consequences. Treatments that included antidepressant medications, either as a stand alone treatment, or in combination with psychotherapy, had significantly worse outcomes than psychotherapy alone for suicide deaths, suicide attempts, psychiatric emergency department visits, and psychiatric hospitalizations. This is a consistent finding that included 34 random controlled trials.

More specifically, the researcher wrote:

Forty-seven out of 1273 (3.7%) in the combined treatment arm and 24 out of 1240 (1.9%) in the psychotherapy-only arm had suicide attempts and other serious psychiatric adverse events, and this difference was statistically significant (OR 1.96 [1.20–3.20], p = 0.012)…

Thirty-one out of 1030 (3.0%) in the psychotherapy-only arm, and 67 out of 1192 (5.6%) in the ADM [antidepressant medication]-arm had suicide attempts and other serious psychiatric adverse events. This difference was statistically significant.

This analysis, along with others, suggests regardless of the treatment, over 94% of those going for treatment are unlikely to end up having one of the very serious consequences of depression. Framing the need for treatment by raising the prospect that very serious consequences are likely to occur without treatment, rather than being helpful, too often leads to antidepressant treatment, which the best science we have indicates this will increase the risk of such serious consequences.

The Effects of Antidepressants On Suffering 

The available research findings indicate so called “antidepressants’ can increase the likelihood of strokes, heart attacks, falls and even death. Antidepressants can cause side effects, including nausea, agitation, weight gain, lower sex drive and indigestion. Research also suggests that people often experience unpleasant withdrawal symptoms, known as antidepressant discontinuation syndrome, when they stop taking antidepressants, sometimes for weeks or months. Thus, people seeking relief from a challenging emotional experience who turn to the most frequent prescribed treatment–antidepressants–are actually increasing their risks of suffering from these various negative consequences.

A very recent study titled “The impact of antidepressants and human development measures on the prevalence of sadness, worry and unhappiness: cross-national comparison,” the researchers conclude,

In this study, we examine the relationship among individual symptoms (sadness, worry and unhappiness), human development factors and antidepressant use in 29 OECD [Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development ] countries. We report that increased antidepressant prescribing is not associated with decreased prevalence of sadness, worry or unhappiness. However, income, education and life expectancy (measured using the Human Development Index) are associated with lower prevalence of all these symptoms. This suggests that increasing spending on depression treatment may not be as effective as general public health interventions at reducing depression in communities.”

An estimated 18 billion dollars a year is being spent on these drugs, (approximately 100 billion dollars spent every six years). This amount does not include the cost of appointment hours of psychiatrists and other prescribing doctors that is part of the required process of people getting access to these drugs. This appears to be a lot of wasted money that can be used more productively in other ways. Given this cost, along with the drugs’ side-effects, and negative health outcomes, framing depression as being so bad so that it ends up encouraging people to take “antidepressants” may be unwise.

So, why do so many who are taking these drugs come to believe they are enormously helpful? There are three major guesses about this.

  1. Many people who become depressed start to feel better after a few months without taking this type of drug. If they do take the drug when they become depressed, and begin to feel better, they attribute it to the drug rather than the natural course of the experience.
  2. If they start to feel better while taking the drug, they may try to stop taking it. Because of the withdrawal effects that feel awful, they are likely to think these awful feelings are due to their depression returning, so they quickly return to taking the drug while now more convinced that the drug is helpful.
  3. Some people are very susceptible to the placebo effect, and therefore any drug that they are prescribed by a doctor leads to the perception that the drug is effective.

Depression as a Natural, Potentially Healthy Process

Conceptualizing depression as a mental disorder tends to fail to motivate active coping beyond taking a pill. Moreover, it fails to honor the labeled person’s perspective. In contrast, framing these concerns as potentially a healthy functional signal can lead to less self-stigma, and greater self-efficacy in making healthy life-style improvements.

One example of this line of thinking is provided in Joshua Wolf Shenk’s (2005) biography of Abraham Lincoln. There the author makes the case that Lincoln’s depression fueled his greatness. Similarly, David Yaffe (2017) has written a biography about the music legend, Joni Mitchell, titled Reckless Daughter. There, he writes of her frequent bouts of depression and quotes her saying,

Depression can be the sand that makes the pearl. Most of my best work came out of it. If you get rid of the demons and the disturbing things, then the angels fly off, too. There is the possibility, in that mire, of an epiphany.”

Schroder, et al. (2023), recently carried out a relevant study. As the authors describe it,

“We describe the historical development of popular messages about depression and draw from the fields of evolutionary psychiatry and social cognition to describe the alternative framework that depression is a “signal” that serves a purpose. We then present data from a pre-registered, online randomized-controlled study in which participants with self-reported depression histories viewed a series of videos that explained depression as a “disease like any other” with known biopsychosocial risk factors (BPS condition), or as a signal that serves an adaptive function (Signal condition) …. The Signal condition led to less self-stigma, greater offset efficacy, and more adaptive beliefs about depression.” 

In a recent blog post, I describe in far more detail this healthy way to understand the nature of depression (see HERE) and a no financial cost process to maximize its benefits. There the reader learns that transforming one’s belief that depression is a “really so bad” experience, to one that develops a friendship with the experience is doable. Once the transformation is complete, I prefer the term “melancholy” for it becomes a distinctly different experience without all the insults directed at oneself and thoughts of being mentally ill.

For many people, it takes more than reading a few paragraphs about this way of thinking. It typically takes some practice over a few months. By beginning with my very first blog post (see HERE) many will find that for free the practice sessions provided are sufficient. Having a counselor/psychotherapist that reacts to such folks’ depression experiences with kindness and empathy, rather than with insults and seeking to convince them that their experience is so terribly bad, can also be enormously helpful. Such counselors/psychotherapists provide a model that leads one to emulate this way of being supportive of themselves throughout their days even when their therapist is no longer present.

Conclusion

Dr. Jeffrey Rubin

There is a subgroup of people who, upon becoming depressed, end up seriously considering, or even attempting, suicide. I am in no way attempting to make light of the experiences of people who reach this level of desperation. Some kind empathetic support can be very helpful to deal with such situations. What I am seeking to convey is that the vast majority of people experiencing depression don’t go to such extremes. For them, the argument that their experience is so bad they need to rush out and get someone to provide “antidepressant” treatment might not be wise.

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Some people will enjoy reading this blog by beginning with the first post and then moving forward to the next more recent one; then to the next one; and so on.  This permits readers to catch up on some ideas that were presented earlier and to move through all of the ideas in a systematic fashion to develop their emotional and social intelligence.  To begin at the very first post you can click HERE.

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About the Author

Jeffrey Rubin grew up in Brooklyn and received his PhD from the University of Minnesota. In his earlier life, he worked in clinical settings, schools, and a juvenile correctional facility. More recently, he authored three novels, A Hero Grows in Brooklyn, Fights in the Streets, Tears in the Sand, and Love, Sex, and Respect (information about these novels can be found at http://www.frominsultstorespect.com/novels/). Currently, he writes a blog titled “From Insults to Respect” that features suggestions for working through conflict, dealing with anger, and supporting respectful relationships.

6 Comments

  1. JSR says:

    That is very interesting to hear that studies have shown that antidepressants can lead to an increase in suicidality. Do you know why that is? Is it because medications can make some people feel worse than they already do or is it some other reason?

    • Dr. Jeffrey Rubin says:

      Hi JSR,

      I’m not sure why there is this increase risk. Two theories come up in discussions about this. 1. As you mentioned, some people do feel worse as a result of taking these types of drugs because they have a bad reaction, or when trying to come off of the drug the withdrawal reactions can be pretty awful leading to a desire to end their life as a way to free themselves from the awful feelings. 2. For some people, they find these drugs have an emotional numbing effect. For those folks, when they have suicidal thoughts, if they were not in this emotional numb state, the thoughts of suicide would create such a strong negative emotional reaction that would prevent them from carrying out the suicide, but being emotionally numb, they can more readily just proceed to carry out the deadly act.

      My Best,
      Jeff

  2. Roald Michel says:

    Many years ago I often wrote about this subject. Below is an example.

    >>> When a client comes to me diagnosed as clinical depressed, I tell him/her that she/he should count their blessings and should enjoy their depression to the fullest. After the first shock and disbelief that they chose me for a therapist, I explain to them that I belong to those who like to descend into the deepest abyss possible, physically as well as mentally, and will grab any opportunity to make that happen. And so should they! It can be scary, but also makes one feel alive. So, now they are in this so called depression, they should look at it as an opportunity to experience something not so many people will get. It’s the opportunity of a lifetime. It fact, so I explain to them, they’re the privileged ones. Then we embark on the journey. Yes, I go with them and will never let them out of my sight, as I too am a thrill seeker and eager to enjoy the ride. Prozac and Zoloft my ass. We’re not sick. We are the chosen ones! <<<

    • Dr. Jeffrey Rubin says:

      Hi Roald,

      Always a pleasure to read your comments. Although I agree with your framing so called clinical depression as an opportunity, that said, absent from your comment is any value of including some empathy and sympathy for what the person is going through. Your brief quote, I’m sure is not your entire way of dealing with those going through a depression experience, so I don’t mean to lock you into just that quote. I’m hoping you might expand on it a bit more. Sometimes, for example, someone becomes depressed because a loved one dies. A cheery mood about the value of depression would be a bit out of place, would it not?

      Your fan,
      Jeff

      • Roald Michel says:

        Of course, this approach is not for everyone, and I would never force it on anyone. First I try to crawl into the other person’s mental bubble, to understand what’s going on from his or her perspective, and then take it from there.

        In general, here’s a quote from an article, https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/psychotherapy-water-roald-michel/ I posted on LinkedIn in 2018:

        “I have a couple of toolboxes. One of them is for therapy, filled with all kinds of tools. Depending on the situation at hand, I choose one or two (or 3) to help me do the job, taking care not using a hammer to cut off a piece of wood.”

        Re: “Sometimes, for example, someone becomes depressed because a loved one dies………” It’s almost five years ago that my Lady died. I’m lost now. Depressed? I don’t know. But I do feel rotten, frozen, angry, and bored. And indeed there were people telling me that from my misery something good will happen. Mildly spoken, I sent those to Hell.

        • Dr. Jeffrey Rubin says:

          Thanks, Roald, for further developing your comment. Losing someone you were so close to, yeah, responding to you about that experience by saying something good will come from it, wow.

          Warm regards,
          Jeff

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